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Petit-four
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Location: upstate NY
Birthday: Mar 20
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Fri May 23, 2008 7:01 pm |
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I've seen several discussions about Fat Daddio's and Magic Line Square pans over the last few weeks.
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Original post was incorrect and fallible due to incorrect baking times and temperatures. Please read additional information for updates and correct values.
| GregSkipper wrote: | Hello CC Members:
My name is Greg Skipper and I am one of the owners of Fat Daddios. I wanted to give you a bit of my background and history with cake pans and baking supplies. I apologize in advance for the length of this email but I feel it is important I respond. In addition, there is a special reward for those of you that perservere through my message.
To begin, I appreciate the experiment Petit-Four conducted. It is a testament to the quality of the members on this board always "looking out" for their fellow member. I have listed some reasons below why our pans performed differently in this test and hope that through a change in handling will result in better results for each of you.
My family has manufactured bakeware since the 1960's. In fact, we started in business to private label manufacture the Magic Line pans. Over the next 30+ years we manufactured many other companies pans as well. During that time we heard many of the things people loved about our pans and things people would like changed. I took many of the thousands of suggestions we received over 30 years of manufacturing and developed the Fat Daddios brand of bakeware.
Yes, the pans are very different from what we made for Magic Line. EVERYTHING we did was intentional and for a very specific purpose. All of our pans are anodized to provide a clean and safer surface to bake on. This process seals the natural aluminum and prevents any leaching of contaminants or aluminum into your food and provides for an easier clean-up. Further, anodizing hardens the metal causing our pans to be nearly as hard as stainless steel, ensuring a longer life. Natural aluminum bakeware has been reported by the FDA to leach aluminum into your food especially so with acidic foods. The same report by the FDA explains how anodized aluminum seals the metal and prevents that contamination and leaching.
Our pans bake differently than ML pans. Our pans conduct heat differently and more efficiently. That being said our pans should be baked at 325 degrees for standard ovens and as low as 300 degrees for convection ovens. In addition, our pans should be baked for a shorter period of time than ML pans. This efficiency has been proven by numerous large commercial bakeries around the world, all of whom have switched their production lines to our pans. If you bake at 340 or higher in our pans crowning will occur. That is also the reason there were issues with crumbs. Too much heat resulted in crowning, overbaking, and drying out. This will always create crumb issues. If you make these adjustments you will find a substantially better baking experience.
Please don't get me wrong, I think ML is a great pan, my family made it for decades. I just believe we have created something truly different, safer, and better. Ironically, our process actually costs us more money to manufacture than if I chose to make the pans the same as we did for ML. There is no reason why I would have chose to make the pans the way we now do and incur higher costs if I did not feel would provide a benefit to YOU our customers.
For that reason, I have spoke with Alan at about a special promotion. I am sending him just over 50 of our pans at no charge. He is going to create a special product page on his website that you can go on and order one of these pans at absolutely NO CHARGE. Fat Daddios is going to cover all costs for the product and shipping. We want you to try for yourself and let us know your thoughts. Alan said he would have the page set up next Tuesday for those of you who would like to take advantage of this offer. I welcome ANY questions you may have. I can be emailed at gskipper @ fatdaddios.com . For those of you going to ICES, please stop by and chat with me as I would love to talk more about our products and new items being developed. In addition, there will be some great freebies for those of you that come by!
Again thanks for bearing with this long post and please contact me with any questions. I appreciate your time and support!
Warm Regards,
Greg |
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leily
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Joined: Jun 12, 2004
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Location: Iowa
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Fri May 23, 2008 7:40 pm |
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Awesome information!! And the photo comparison is priceless.
I have been a Magic Line fan b/c of their crisp crisp corners which I love so much... But I did not realize FD were made out of the US, I thought both brands where made in the US.
I agree with the cleaning though... I have found the best way is a toothpick under warm running water for those corners... works like a charm. |
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Petit-four
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Joined: Feb 21, 2008
Posts: 456
Location: upstate NY
Birthday: Mar 20
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Fri May 23, 2008 7:46 pm |
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Thanks, leily....I'm going to be getting Magic Line to complete the rest of the set. I was just trying to be fair to both companies...(I also like the Made in USA aspect too  )  |
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indydebi
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Fri May 23, 2008 7:55 pm |
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excellent analysis!!  |
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vdrsolo
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Fri May 23, 2008 8:39 pm |
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Thanks for the info! I love my ML pans but recently needed an 11" square. ML doesn't make odd size squares above 9" (I sure wish they did!). So I bought a FD...haven't tried it out yet. Was supposed to use it for a wedding next weekend that just got called off. |
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CakesByLJ
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Fri May 23, 2008 9:00 pm |
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Thank you so much for this information and pictorial... It pretty much speaks for itself, huh........ |
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rezzycakes
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Joined: Dec 22, 2004
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Location: Hudson Valley, NY
Birthday: Sep 15
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Fri May 23, 2008 9:10 pm |
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Great info! Thanks for taking the time to post it. |
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BlakesCakes
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Location: Cleveland, OH
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Fri May 23, 2008 9:11 pm |
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I have a hodge podge of Magic Line squares & rectangles and I love the crisp edges that I get when using them.
I've chosen to purchase the Fat Daddio's in unusual shapes only. Haven't had a chance to use any yet, but I'll re-post results when I do.
Thanks for the info--it confirms some of what I already suspected.
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mkolmar
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Fri May 23, 2008 9:41 pm |
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Thanks for posting this. I had wilton pans and bought a set of 8in square magic line. I just love ML. I almost bought some FD pans but I read mixed reviews on here so decided just to stick with the ML brand. After looking at the photo, I know I made the right choice. |
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dandelion56602
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Fri May 23, 2008 9:49 pm |
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You've given a very informative & unbiased comparison. Thank you & pics are worth 1000 words |
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ATCakes
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Joined: Apr 02, 2006
Posts: 115
Location: Corona, CA
Birthday: Mar 02
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Fri May 23, 2008 9:55 pm |
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Great information. Thanks for all of the time you took to put this together. |
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YAYI95
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Joined: Jul 06, 2007
Posts: 165
Location: Florida by way of Panama Rep
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Fri May 23, 2008 10:04 pm |
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thanks so much for that information....I need to buy some square pans and did not know which one to go with FD or ML but you helped me decide....Anyone know of a good site to order ML from?? |
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CambriasCakes
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Joined: Aug 02, 2006
Posts: 220
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Birthday: Oct 27
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Fri May 23, 2008 10:37 pm |
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Awesome information! Thank you so much for taking the time to post. I've been thinking of buying some of the Fat Daddios pans but now I think I'll just stick to Magic Line. I've always loved the sharp corners so....why fix it if ain't broken right?  |
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fondantfrenzy
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Fri May 23, 2008 10:51 pm |
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I bought a 14 inch pan out of desperation from Sur la table cuz the 16 inch square wilton pan would barely fit in my oven. Let me tell you You sure get what you pay for the cake was amazing!!!! I guess it really does matter!!! |
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diane
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Sat May 24, 2008 12:16 am |
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wow...you took the time to find all that information?!  thanks for sharing.
i had two magic line pans, but sold them on ebay. i didn't care that much for them.  |
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