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Fri Jul 18, 2008 3:09 pm
CC'rs let me ask a stupid question. You bake the original wedding cake and then part of the price is also an anniversary cake?
The original contract is for the wedding and anniversary cake inclusive? Do you show this as a bonus to the couple even thought you have the price costs etc enveloped in the fee your charging?
I tell people to eat the anniversary cake on thier one month anniversary not the one year because a frozen year old cake tastes like a frozen year old cake. CA CA!!!
Has this worked out well for you? Would you dare call the brides at the year mark and make arrangements for the anniversary cake?
What about at the time that they call for the anniversary cake you also give them a "special" on a baby shower cake?
loriemoms Forum SuperStar!
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Fri Jul 18, 2008 3:18 pm
sweettoothmom wrote:
CC'rs let me ask a stupid question. You bake the original wedding cake and then part of the price is also an anniversary cake?
The original contract is for the wedding and anniversary cake inclusive? Do you show this as a bonus to the couple even thought you have the price costs etc enveloped in the fee your charging?
I tell people to eat the anniversary cake on thier one month anniversary not the one year because a frozen year old cake tastes like a frozen year old cake. CA CA!!!
Has this worked out well for you? Would you dare call the brides at the year mark and make arrangements for the anniversary cake?
What about at the time that they call for the anniversary cake you also give them a "special" on a baby shower cake?
I tell them serve the entire cake at the wedding...if they do save the top, I tell them eat it for thier first night home after their honeymoon, as part of that symbol of their first meal together in their new home.
I use it more as a selling item...its pretty common these days to offer a free anniversary cake.
Many couples wait years before having that first baby in my area...they probalby would all want todays prices 10 years from now! hahahha
disneynutbsv Frequent Member
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Posted:
Fri Jul 18, 2008 3:28 pm
leahs wrote:
I give them a gift certificate with an expiration date.
But...realize this too...depending on which state you are in, Gift Certificates less than $100 cannot expire (its a law here in NH...so check your state laws!)
indydebi Forum SuperStar!
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Fri Jul 18, 2008 6:04 pm
disneynutbsv wrote:
leahs wrote:
I give them a gift certificate with an expiration date.
But...realize this too...depending on which state you are in, Gift Certificates less than $100 cannot expire (its a law here in NH...so check your state laws!)
Is that for any gift certifcate ... or just the ones that the clients hand you money for?
I've heard of that when you hand a store a $20 bill and they give you a gift certificate for your niece's birthday. You exchanged real money for a certificate so if it "expires", that's like saying a $20 bill "expired".
But this is not a certificate where they have actually handed you money for it .... I am "giving" them a free cake a year from now. Technically, no money exchanged hands for this item.
Any idea, anyone?
gateauxdamour Junior Member
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Posted:
Fri Jul 18, 2008 6:25 pm
The anniversary cake "certificate" has always struck me as more of a "coupon." Redeemable within a certain time frame which is specified on the form and does not have a true cash value (i.e., they can't show up a year later and say "keep the cake, I want the $xx"). JMHO
disneynutbsv Frequent Member
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Posted:
Fri Jul 18, 2008 8:23 pm
indydebi wrote:
disneynutbsv wrote:
leahs wrote:
I give them a gift certificate with an expiration date.
But...realize this too...depending on which state you are in, Gift Certificates less than $100 cannot expire (its a law here in NH...so check your state laws!)
Is that for any gift certifcate ... or just the ones that the clients hand you money for?
I've heard of that when you hand a store a $20 bill and they give you a gift certificate for your niece's birthday. You exchanged real money for a certificate so if it "expires", that's like saying a $20 bill "expired".
But this is not a certificate where they have actually handed you money for it .... I am "giving" them a free cake a year from now. Technically, no money exchanged hands for this item.
Any idea, anyone?
hmm, good point.. I don't know?
I own a hair salon, so of course when we give gift certificates we are receiving money in return, but sometimes when I want to give my customers something I give them a "coupon" good for and that "can" have an expiration date on it.
CakeMakar Regular Member
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Fri Jul 18, 2008 8:44 pm
I don't understand why it matters when they redeem it? If they want it on their 1st or their 5th, you're still making a cake. As long as you both know you did their cake...not some stranger getting it?
Can someone clarify?
indydebi Forum SuperStar!
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Fri Jul 18, 2008 8:53 pm
CakeMakar wrote:
I don't understand why it matters when they redeem it? If they want it on their 1st or their 5th, you're still making a cake. As long as you both know you did their cake...not some stranger getting it?
Can someone clarify?
Because:
(1) It's a FIRST anniversary cake, not a "whenever I want to get one" cake
(2) Technically, this is like an open account on my books .... it's an outstanding "check" that hasn't been cashed yet. I'm not keeping it open forever. It costs money to keep accounts open ... maintenance and monitoring, etc.
(3) When I offered the cake, it had a value of $X. 5 years later, it now has a value of $3X, so they are actually getting MORE than what the original offer was for.
(4) I don't owe something to someone for the rest of their life.
Git-R-Dun!!!!!!!!!!
disneynutbsv Frequent Member
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Fri Jul 18, 2008 8:58 pm
I couldn't agree more Indy!
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Fri Jul 18, 2008 9:15 pm
CakeMakar wrote:
I don't understand why it matters when they redeem it? If they want it on their 1st or their 5th, you're still making a cake. As long as you both know you did their cake...not some stranger getting it?
Can someone clarify?
I was just going to mirror Indydeb on this one... if I make the cake for them next year, I am giving them (for example) $20 worth of free cake. If I make it 5 years from now, it might be $50 worth of free cake. I'm not down with that. Not to mention... you don't want, say 75% of your brides 'holding out' on their anniv. cakes, then you end up with a year where half of your business is freebie cakes, and you're having to turn down paying jobs to make the free ones. Not fun!
(4) I don't owe something to someone for the rest of their life.
Git-R-Dun!!!!!!!!!!
LOL!!!
Ok, now I need to think about how I'm going to handle this. I tell all my customers that they get a free 1 year anniversary cake so they don't have to eat 1-year-old frozen cake, but I don't have it in my contract anywhere. And I already have 7 contracts done so far. I was thinking maybe sending them something out with their final statement (which will show their cake paid off). Maybe sending a general flyer? That states the size (6" round) and the flavors (same as wedding cake) and the date it must be used by along with a "two-week notice required" how does that sound??
In regard to the state law thing on gift certificates, you've got to read what your state's law is (and that of surrounding states if you're on the boarder like I am). I know here if YOU issue the certificate or gift card, there CAN be an expiration date here... HOWEVER, if there is any money exchanged that card cannot lose $$ value. Granted, the buying power of $$ can change over time, but at least here, you can have an expiration on something originating from you that doesn't have monetary exchanges for the certificate applied. You've got to know your state's laws so you can do it so you can have the expiration attached.
"This certificate entitles you to a free 6" first anniversary cake design matched to your original wedding cake's top tier. This certificate expires on (two to six months after their first anniversary - that way if they forget they still have a chance). Please call (number) at least 2-6 weeks in advance of the date you would like to pick up the cake and mention this certificate. This certificate may not be exchanged for cash and has no monetary value"
indydebi Forum SuperStar!
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Posted:
Sat Jul 19, 2008 4:24 am
i leave the certificate in an envelope on the cake table when I deliver the cake. When talking with the brides, I tell them to put the certificate in their wedding book "....so you don't forget about it!" Mine expires 365 days after their wedding. It's a first anniversary cake and should be picked up in time for their first anniversary.
poshcakedesigns Frequent Member
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Posted:
Sat Jul 19, 2008 6:21 pm
If you didn't specify an expiration date I'd go ahead and do the cake
I'm think you should just go ahead and do it. With your cake fresh in their minds again, maybe they'll call you for the baby shower...
Seriously!
Who cares if they missed their first anniversary...bake 'em a cake, fulfill your obligation, make the customer happy, and maybe you will get more orders from them.
I don't see how this is a big deal...or why you would even question doing it for them. *Shrug* JMO
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